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<p id="speakable-summary" class="has-text-align-left wp-block-paragraph">Self-driving has been “almost here” for over a decade. But somewhere between DARPA challenges and a handful of driverless trucks hauling freight between Dallas and Houston, Aurora co-founder and CEO <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-urmson-5392273/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow">Chris Urmson</a>’s story changed. The self-driving truck company started commercial driverless operations last April and is now scaling from a handful of trucks to hundreds this year. </p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">On this episode of TechCrunch’s <a href="https://techcrunch.com/podcasts/equity/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Equity</a> podcast, we’re bringing you a conversation Rebecca Bellan had with Urmson at the <a href="https://www.humanx.co/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow">HumanX</a> conference in San Francisco. The pair dug into the long road from lab to highway and how physical AI differs from the LLM boom everyone else is chasing. </p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Listen to the full episode to hear about: </p>
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<li class="wp-block-list-item">Why long-haul trucking <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/06/aurora-lands-mclane-deal-to-run-driverless-truck-routes-in-texas/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">may crack the autonomy business</a> case before robotaxis ever do </li>
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<li class="wp-block-list-item">What “verifiable AI” means and why Urmson thinks end-to-end systems are a liability when lives are on the line </li>
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<li class="wp-block-list-item">The surprisingly common-sense solution to the driverless truck safety triangle problem </li>
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<li class="wp-block-list-item">What Aurora’s roadmap looks like beyond trucking, and which companies in the autonomy space have Urmson genuinely excited </li>
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